So many Bonus Episodes!!!  In this one, Nate and I sit down to discuss the Top 3 Things We've Changed Our Minds About.  Fact is, if you still believe all of the same things you believed last year, then you're probably fucking up.  Growth comes at the expense of shedding old ideas, and embracing new ones.  Not all old ideas are bad, and not all new ideas are good.  You've got to weed them out, and of course, sometimes realize that you're just plain wrong.

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FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:

Kris Hampton  00:31

What's up everybody? I'm your host, Kris Hampton.

Nate Drolet  00:35

And I'm Nathan Drolet.

Kris Hampton  00:37

And together we form nitrous oxide. Yeah. What do you got to say about that? 

Nate Drolet  00:43

Laughing gas? 

Kris Hampton  00:44

Yes. 

Nate Drolet  00:45

Okay.

Kris Hampton  00:46

 We are drinking here.

Nate Drolet  00:48

The energy drink.

Kris Hampton  00:49

We're drinking and it's late night, and we're outside at a picnic table in Cincinnati and

Nate Drolet  00:56

Kris started nice fire right next to us.

Kris Hampton  00:59

Yeah, it's so sweet, romantic, and hopefully it keeps the fucking mosquitoes away. That's my main goal here. So, what are we talking about tonight? Why don't you tell everybody?

Nate Drolet  01:14

 Oh, tonight's talk is inspired by Brett Jones, his quote that is, if you look at your training plan, or let me restart that fuel your training journal from five years ago, you don't facepalm then you're doing something wrong. So tonight, we're talking about three things that we've changed our mind on in the last five years.

Kris Hampton  01:37

Five years. I would like to think that I could come up with three things I've changed my mind on in the last five weeks. But five years was pretty hard, actually. So how about I'm gonna let you lead it off with it. Your

Nate Drolet  01:53

I think I left off last time.

Kris Hampton  01:54

Okay. I'll lead often alright. Yeah, that was, that was definitely one of my daughter's redneck neighbors. Okay, my number one, my number one thing I've changed my mind about. And by number one, I mean, my number three, because we're going to reverse order here that I've changed my mind about in the last five years is jumping. Because I might have mentioned this on the podcast before. I'm a fairly slow static sloth like molasses, like, climber... 

Nate Drolet  02:30

Very.

Kris Hampton  02:31

And I don't need your backtalk. And yeah, and it just it didn't make sense to me. Why jumping was anything more than a circus trick. I mean, I guess it did, to some extent. And I recognized that there was some that there was skill behind it. But I didn't really realize how it could apply to my climbing in general. So I never really gave it the respect it deserved for quite a long time. And now I'm old and I'm fragile and better demonstrated jumping. Now what better time so and I really don't want to fall. So when I jump, I just stick shit. Like, that's just what I do now. I plan to I'm like Chris Sharma up in here. But no, seriously, I think I think jumping is a really, really important, super valuable skill that I just didn't give credit to. And honestly, it might have been, you know, reading Will Anglin's blog about that he had practiced jumping for quite some time and really learned how to jump better.

Nate Drolet  03:43

Oh Yyah, what does that is? wrote about purple is not a color. I can't remember the name of the blog, or what was that what it was?

Kris Hampton  03:52

Might have been, I don't remember the title. I just remember the gist of it was that he had really dug deep into the practice of jumping. And I thought, well, you know, this guy's climbing way harder than I am. And he's still learning to jump. So maybe I can dig in a little bit too and see what I can learn. And I've definitely learned quite a bit over the last few years. And I think it's really helped to my climbing not just helped my jumping. But it's helped my dead pointing it's helped my dynamic climbing in general. And while I think my dynamic climbing is still fairly poor, I think I'm a much better dynamic climber than I was three to four years ago when I really started paying attention to jumping as more than just a circus trick or timing thing.

Nate Drolet  04:40

 Nice. Do you feel like it's helped affect other things such as like competence or anything like that? 

Kris Hampton  04:45

Definitely my confidence level when I approach any sort of big move much better at... Let me illustrate it this way. I remember a time climbing with Chris Lindner in Wild Iris on a route 2 Kinds of Jjustice to 12b, got a, it's a heinous 12b, I might add 

Nate Drolet  05:06

Porter Girard route.

Kris Hampton  05:07

 Porter Gerard heinous 12b. And it's got a pretty gigantic move really close to the start. And I went for the move, but was unwilling to give it enough. So I ended up just having to reverse the move. And then I went for the move again, unwilling to give it enough and reverse the move. And then I went for the move again, unwilling to give it enough, and reverse the move, and finally fell. And Chris Linder was like, shit, dude, I've never seen anybody try that hard. And I'm like, well, the hard part was reversing the move. And I didn't have to do any of that, you know. So now I don't necessarily have that problem nearly as often. And when I do, I recognize that it's a problem pretty immediately. And I can work my way through it better, because I've went through that process in the gym, of really learning how to work my way through a jump. So definitely affected confidence in that respect.

Nate Drolet  06:09

 Makes sense.

Kris Hampton  06:10

 I'm still not a dinosaur. Like, if I see a giant dyno, I'm still like, man, I can't do that. So it hasn't, it hasn't affected my confidence in that realm. But, but yeah, more confident, for sure. 

Nate Drolet  06:22

Nice. 

Kris Hampton  06:24

What's your number one? All right. Number three is the case may be?

Nate Drolet  06:27

My number one. And this is kind of, I guess it was kind of to be expected, but it's the need for physical training.

Kris Hampton  06:36

Mm hmm.

Nate Drolet  06:37

So I, for the longest time stuff with movement training, I always thought that I could get better with technique. And for a long time, and I got away with it. Like I was able to climb up to like V10, and 13d, without really having to do any sort of physical training for the most part.

Kris Hampton  06:56

Right.

Nate Drolet  06:57

 And I thought I could get away with it forever. And not only that, I I definitely had this chip on my shoulder of well, there are good climbers, and there are strong climbers. And it's obvious which one I consider myself.

Kris Hampton  07:09

Right.

Nate Drolet  07:09

 But, yeah.

Kris Hampton  07:11

I think I had the same chip on my shoulder at some point.

Nate Drolet  07:14

I think it's easy to do. And, you know, one day I caught myself saying I was like, Oh, you know, if I was as strong as that guy, I'd be climbing so much harder. And then it's kind of the realization of like, Why the fuck don't wanna get stronger?

Kris Hampton  07:26

Yeah, like, why don't you just do it? 

Nate Drolet  07:27

Yeah. Why do I? What's the point of even saying stuff like that? Because it's not gonna do anything. And then, so as I started actually training and getting stronger one training can actually be a lot of fun. Man, two. I've been so much healthier. Like, I used to think that. I don't know you get hurt training, but you get hurt when you train poorly. Like, if you get hurt training, you're doing something wrong?

Kris Hampton  07:53

Yeah, for sure. Especially, you know, your background and movement kind of led right into the strength training thing, because to strength train correctly. You really need to pay attention to movement. You know, I think that's a big component of it.

Nate Drolet  08:08

Yes. Yeah. No, absolutely. Like, that's, that's actually, that's my next point. Maybe that's number three. But we'll get to that. Yeah. So to me, that was huge, was actually accepting that getting stronger was gonna be a big deal. And it was tough, because I mean, my identity for a long time, man, and people still, like, give me a hard time. They're just like, wow, you're really not strong. Yeah, and for a long time, I took that as a compliment. I was like, oh, thank you. That must mean I'm like doing really well. But no, it's just like, why the fuck don't you get strong. So you can actually apply some of that movement skill? Like...

Kris Hampton  08:46

Yeah. 

Nate Drolet  08:46

I mean, yeah, your technique is just how well you can display your strength. But if you don't have any strength, and like, you have nothing to show for it. And so that's where I was like, I could pull off so many stupid shenanigans and tactics. I'm like, I could just weasel my way up quite a few rock climbs. But yeah, it became really limiting. And now that started actually training, I've realized all these issues that I had at a very simple movement level that I was able to hide with technique. 

Kris Hampton  09:21

Yep. 

Nate Drolet  09:22

And now it's like, as I'm fixing, I'm like, I can climb such a such a much broader range of climbs, and it's so much more fun and unhealthy. I can climb more. Yeah, it's just, that's one of the things I feel like an idiot for not realizing it earlier.

Kris Hampton  09:37

Yeah. Did you? Was there a moment when you saw somebody strong? Who was also good? Or was it or was it just your own idea that dammit I need to get strong?

Nate Drolet  09:52

I don't know. I mean, I'm fortunate. I've climbed around a lot of really strong, really good climbers. But I'd say I have a buddy who, I'm totally gonna give them a hard time here. There is an old interview, I think it may have been in King Lines with Chris Sharma where he was like, Oh, yeah, you know, sometimes you run into people who they're strong enough to climb 5.15 but they only climb 5.12.

Kris Hampton  10:14

 Yeah. 

Nate Drolet  10:14

And I was just like, That's bullshit, Chris, like, no one is strong. 15 they climb 512 and then I met one of my good friends now. I was just like, dude, what are you doing? Like, just animal strong. And now he's like, he's becoming an incredible climber now. And it's really cool to see. But it was. It was one of the things I was just like me on how, like, I didn't understand how someone could be so strong, and not be able to convert that. And yeah, it was very easy for me to take a step back and be like, oh, if I had that strength, then I was just like, well, wait, I don't. Why don't I get that strength? Because like, yeah, what's the point of me saying it? Otherwise, like,  if it's, if someone else could get it, like, it's achievable. It's, I can do it, too. And so why should I just sit here and bitch but uh...

Kris Hampton  11:03

Get the whole package?

Nate Drolet  11:04

 Yeah.

Kris Hampton  11:04

Put all the tools in your toolbox.

Nate Drolet  11:06

Exactly. And so what's cool too, is my buddy. Now he's been logging tons of outdoor mileage. Just, he's one of the I mean, I even wanted, he's the most passionate climber ever met. It's absolutely wild. It's awesome. And it shows man, he's been killing it lately. But, uh, yeah, so that was him and maybe a few other people. But that was just kind of one big change all at once. Yeah, so that was my number one.

Kris Hampton  11:35

All right. On to number two. For me, I definitely change my mind. And we talked a little about this in a previous episode. But I changed my mind about bouldering. And I don't just mean bouldering as part of training. Like we talked about in the previous episode, but bouldering period, like I just thought it wasn't fun.

Nate Drolet  12:00

Are you actually having fun doing it now?

Kris Hampton  12:01

I fucking love it. 

Nate Drolet  12:03

Wierd. By the way off with cracks or not bouldering just so were we make this clear.

Kris Hampton  12:09

Well, you do have a crash pad. And if you want one, you're not far off the ground. So it's kind of bouldering.

Nate Drolet  12:16

For anyone who wants to know bouldering this summer, we went to Rocky Mountain National Park and Mount Evans and it was awesome. 

Kris Hampton  12:25

It was great. 

Nate Drolet  12:25

Yeah.

Kris Hampton  12:26

 It was great. 

Nate Drolet  12:26

It was super fun hikes are heinous, though, but also flew in straight from Texas.

Kris Hampton  12:31

Actually Rocky Mountain National Parks hike was quite enjoyable.

Nate Drolet  12:35

Yeah, after Lincoln Lake.

Kris Hampton  12:36

 Lincoln Lake's hike sucked.

Nate Drolet  12:38

But yeah, and so Kris was like, cool. We'll go bouldering up in Wyoming tomorrow, like so straight from the park will go up and it was Veadawoo.

Kris Hampton  12:48

Say that was such disdain.

Nate Drolet  12:52

Boulders.

Kris Hampton  12:52

In all fairness, we were meeting my fiance there. So and Nate got to climb multipitch and off width boulder problems, roof crack off width boulder problems in the same day. That's pretty badass really.

Nate Drolet  13:09

It was.

Kris Hampton  13:09

Come on.

Nate Drolet  13:10

It was something. So sorry, I completely derailed you. You were saying bouldering is awesome.

Kris Hampton  13:15

Yeah, bouldering is really fun. In fact, that's what I'm gonna do all fall and winter. Most likely, I'll climb some sport routes, I'll climb some trade routes. I've got goals in both those realms, but but I'm really enjoying the bouldering process. And I that's another thing I didn't give credit to, in my mind. And I distinctly remember saying this to my friend Alyssa, that I just didn't understand the draw of bouldering I liked boulder problems when they were at the tops of routes. Because I wanted that showdown, like the total fatigue showdown at the top. That's what seemed to me like was the, you know, the ultimate battle. But there's a different kind of battle when you're doing the hardest moves you can do right off the ground. And, and it's probably a more challenging battle for me. You know, maybe because of my background in sport climbing and trad climbing and Red River climbing. You know, I feel like I've harped on Red River climbing a lot in this podcast recently. But but yeah, I think it's it's a whole different, new exciting challenge to really work on the tiny subtleties that make moves work or not work and, you know, just the the placement of your hips, an inch or two to one side makes such a huge difference when you're at your absolute limit. And that's exciting to me to start to learn that and I just didn't give it that kind of credit before. So yeah. Bouldering.

Nate Drolet  15:00

Right on. Any boulders and pitch particularly your site for this winter?

Kris Hampton  15:03

Golden Harvest. 

Nate Drolet  15:05

Good one.

Kris Hampton  15:05

Definitely my, my big fall winter goal. I would love to climb 11V I'm gonna search for one that really suits me. You know.

Nate Drolet  15:19

Baby soft.

Kris Hampton  15:20

Baby soft. I'm looking for baby soft V11. And, and we're gonna spend some time in Hueco so I would love to I just want to climb a lot of boulders there. There's some. There's some really amazing looking boulders in Hueco. So Golden Harvest is definitely top of the list.

Nate Drolet  15:41

Nice. That's a must do for anyone who can.

Kris Hampton  15:44

Yeah. Bouldering. I'm a Boulderer. You should check that out. 

Nate Drolet  15:49

All right.

Kris Hampton  15:50

What's your number two?

Nate Drolet  15:51

My number two: realizing how much my fear of falling comes into play with my sport climbing?

Kris Hampton  15:59

Interesting. 

Nate Drolet  16:00

Yeah. No, I it's one of those things I kind of avoided for a long time. 

Kris Hampton  16:04

You mean, someone can climb 5.14 and still be afraid of falling?

Nate Drolet  16:08

Terrified. Yeah, I mean, yeah, like...

Kris Hampton  16:11

No shit.

Nate Drolet  16:12

When people are like, Oh, yeah, you don't clip those last few bolts on the madness. I was like, watch me. Yes, I do. Yeah. Yeah, I don't skip bolts like I don't. I mean, and I, like I've done scary routes. And I've done routes where there are consequences if you fall. But man I can tell you. Without question. Like, falling still terrifies me to the point where I know it affects my climbing. And it's something I'd it... Yeah, there are two things that kind of made me realize it first was we were in Wild Iris. And I went to Jonathan Siegrist climbing clinic at the whatever International Climbers Festival. 

Kris Hampton  16:56

Yep. 

Nate Drolet  16:56

Yeah. And you know, I was just picking his brain I started just be kind of fun to do. I've never done anything like that before. And one of the biggest things he said to me, my biggest takeaway from all that was, he said... was his exact wording. Always fall with upward momentum?

Kris Hampton  17:20

Okay, yep. I always tell people to fall up.

Nate Drolet  17:22

Yeah. So unless you're working a route, you know, if you're, if you're going up and tossing something and figuring out the moves, but anything after that, you always fall with upward momentum. You know, I was like, you're not telling me anything? I don't know here. That's scary, Kris. Like, ya know, cuz I was climbing in Wild Iris and me while Iris wasn't bad because it's so hard that I mean, you fall because the move is difficult, never really pump out. like nothing's ever stranger insecure, at least on any of the routes I got on it was just pure power moves. And it's, it's very easy for me to just fall because something's too hard. But, uh, yeah, then I went to a Rifle. You know, things are, like, slick as shit. Everything's facing the wrong way. And 

Kris Hampton  18:09

Yeah.

Nate Drolet  18:10

It's just yeah. So like climbing they're trying to commit when everything feels wrong. Man, it was, it was hard. And thankfully, my climbing partner at the time was calling me out on it anytime. Because that was one. One time I really noticed it.

Kris Hampton  18:27

I think I do think you have to sort of adjust your, your scale of when it's okay to say when it's okay to fall with upward momentum versus when it's okay to fall with, you know, doubt or, or trying to figure things out. So I think if you're in a new area like Rifle and you're still figuring out the style, there's no real shame and not falling with upward momentum as long as you're getting used to the style and then you can start to fall up.

Nate Drolet  19:02

Oh know this is just shame. There's Yeah, there there is no silver lining in this like and that was just it. It was made very clear to me very quickly. How much it affected me. And so that was one big moment and the other time was I was at a...

Kris Hampton  19:17

What grades are we talking that you were?

Nate Drolet  19:20

All of them.

Nate Drolet  19:23

I don't know how hard was that multipitch we did the other day at Vedauwoo?

Kris Hampton  19:28

5.3 or 5.4. 

Nate Drolet  19:29

Horrified. Oh, man is terrible. 

Kris Hampton  19:33

It's totally out of your element. So...

Nate Drolet  19:35

Yeah. No, it's bad.

Kris Hampton  19:41

But that's good. That's good for it's good for all of you know, everybody to hear. Cuz it happens. It totally happens.

Nate Drolet  19:48

Oh, for sure. Yeah. But it's just one of the things I guess I like. I was like ah, whatever I've I've climbed 5.14 like clearly falling isn't an issue, but it's one of the things that I can push it back. It's the same thing. How boulderers often try to say we don't we don't need any sort of endurance or fitness. Because we boulder who needs that are. But really it's kind of useful. So one of the things you try to push you back to your mind to the back of your mind and pretend doesn't exist.

Kris Hampton  20:15

Sure.

Nate Drolet  20:17

So, yeah, and then the other time where it really stood out to me was watching youth climbers. 

Kris Hampton  20:25

Mm hmm. Yeah. 

Nate Drolet  20:26

The youth sport comp. And it blew me away. Like, man.

Kris Hampton  20:31

Just no fear.

Nate Drolet  20:32

Yeah, it was awesome. Like, it was so cool to watch. Like, they just little throw for anything. I mean, off horrible feet. They look just as insecure as you can imagine. And they're just head down. pressing on. Like, that's awesome. 

Kris Hampton  20:45

Yep. 

Nate Drolet  20:45

Don't no hesitation, just full confidence. I'd be terrified to belay em. But watching was great. Yeah, no, it was just I was such as standout moment. Even just the first time I saw it, first kid, I saw climb. Like that was like oh fuck that's it. Like, that's, like, I don't have that yet.

Kris Hampton  21:10

So you've lost that.

Nate Drolet  21:11

I don't know, I was always I was a boulderer forever. And that was like terrified a sport. And then...

Kris Hampton  21:16

I think there's definitely something to be said for youth. You know, I, I just went skateboarding yesterday at a little skate park with my friend Justin's son Nali: who's who's my little dude. And, and when I got there. Nali's like, immediately trying to drop into the bowl. You know, he's, he's like, he's two and a half feet tall or something. You know, and he's, he can't even stand on his board without being slightly out of balance. But he's totally ready to drop into the bowl.

Nate Drolet  21:52

Just given er.

Kris Hampton  21:52

 Yeah. And he, he went for it like multiple times and, and slammed hard multiple times. And when dropping, it wasn't working, he was just ready to roll off the flat into the bowl, like, just going toward the abyss with no fear whatsoever. And it scared me way more than it scared him. And, and that was pretty fun to see. You know, so I got to work with him a little bit and make some progress. And that was super fun. But I definitely think there's something to be said for youth. So you can't discount that part of it. Yeah, but you're right, there is a we all we all have a process, you know that I think we go through and getting comfortable. And I think I think the real goal should be figure out your process, and then try to find ways to speed that process up, or shortcut that process, or see what parts of the process take too long or whatever. But I think once you know your process of getting comfortable with falling on a route, then you can start to change it. So...

Nate Drolet  23:04

Yeah I mean, that's one I'm not going to use youth as an excuse. 

Kris Hampton  23:08

No, no, no. And I was saying that.

Nate Drolet  23:10

No for sure. And that's the thing, like I can easily project a route. And you know, take all the bad falls and get it out of my head. But man, it's such a process. And I don't know, I guess it for the longest time I tried to pretend it wasn't a thing. I mean, it wasn't even I was pretending it for a long time. I was just like, no, this isn't a thing. I I'm not afraid of falling. And then it just really started dawning on me more and more recently. And I've got a trip to Smith Rocks coming up soon. 

Kris Hampton  23:40

And there's probably going to be some big falls there. 

Nate Drolet  23:43

I hear that. And it's not steep, like the Red. So, um, we'll see how that goes.

Kris Hampton  23:49

All right. Well, we're rooting for you. Right now. I'm out of my Roebling Vanilla Porter, Espresso, whatever beer so we're gonna take a break. 

Kris Hampton  24:01

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Kris Hampton  25:06

Okay, we're back. I've switched from Vanilla Espresso Porter to a Rhinegeist Truth IPA that my good friend Julie Hwang brought over last night. Thanks, Julie.

Nate Drolet  25:21

I'm drinking a Pumpkin Spice Nitro. #basic.

Kris Hampton  25:29

In all fairness, I was the one excited about buying it. So I can't really laugh out loud at you on a podcast.

Nate Drolet  25:37

 But you just did. 

Kris Hampton  25:38

But I just did.

Nate Drolet  25:40

So I believe you it's your turn with number three.

Kris Hampton  25:43

It's true. I find a one. And we sort of overlap on this one. But I kind of have different reasons. So strength training is my number one biggest thing I've changed my mind about in the last five years. And I've changed my mind about it on a bunch of levels. So at first, I thought as well that you didn't necessarily need it. Because I was a technique climber. However, I already had a background in lifting weights and gymnastic strength training. So that's the reason I didn't need it. Because I was already considerably stronger than most other climbers at that point. So at the time, I may not have needed it. There was definitely a point at which I should have started strength training that passed me by many, many years ago. And I just kept saying, I don't need it. I don't need it. I don't need it, you know. So I've definitely switched back to now I definitely believe I need it. Also, another thing I've changed my mind about as far as strength training goes, is when I grew up, it was all about wrecking yourself in the gym. Like, you know, you you go until you puke. And you know, it was it was CrossFit style before CrossFit. That's how I was kind of how it seemed 

Nate Drolet  27:15

You know, is the Arnold era. 

Kris Hampton  27:16

Yeah, Arnold and

Nate Drolet  27:19

Had to get yoked.

Kris Hampton  27:21

Exactly. And, and now I'm definitely not that way. In fact, if I had to guess I would guess that I err too much on the side of resting and not going hard enough. I think that I do enough most of the time. But if I err one way or the other, it's on the side of not doing enough. So 

Nate Drolet  27:48

Do you feel like you're getting stronger?

Kris Hampton  27:50

Right this moment, I'm getting drunker 

Nate Drolet  27:55

And fatter considering how many burritos you've eaten in the last month.

Kris Hampton  27:57

And fatter my God. Yeah, we've eaten a lot of burritos and a giant Chipotle a burrito today. 

Nate Drolet  28:02

Yeah. 

Kris Hampton  28:03

And they double wrapped mine because it busted. So lots of extra calories. But yeah. Fatter too. Yes, I am. I think that in the last year and a half to two years have gotten considerably stronger, considerably more stable. If you take that period of surgery and coming back from surgery out of the equation. But even after surgery, I'm stronger right now than I was in the several years prior to surgery. So, so definitely, I think I am getting stronger. And I'm 41 so you know, it's not it's not over for you at people have been telling me it's over for me from 28 on. You know, you're about to turn 30 shits about the hit the fan.

Nate Drolet  28:56

Gonna get exploded every direction.

Kris Hampton  28:57

 Yeah, and..

Nate Drolet  28:58

Just you wait.

Kris Hampton  28:59

 35 was the same way. 40 was the same way. I climbed my hardest boulder problems and 5.14 after 40 and now people are like, well, you just wait till you're 45. Whatever, you know, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna train. I'm gonna get stronger. I'm gonna be smart about it. And it's, yeah, it's not gonna fall apart. So 

Nate Drolet  29:22

Nice.

Kris Hampton  29:22

 Yeah, strength training. 

Nate Drolet  29:23

Yeah, I mean, the thing that comes down to it, well, we're really going for it is the minimum effective dose.

Kris Hampton  29:29

Right.

Nate Drolet  29:29

So even if you feel like maybe you're doing not quite enough sometimes. I mean, if you're getting stronger, you're staying healthy. You're I mean, you're getting healthier.

Kris Hampton  29:38

Yeah. And I you know, I've had that I'm not sure if I'm doing enough feeling for well since I had surgery. So it's been about a year and a half, almost a year and a half now. So it's not like I'm feeling like, I'm not sure I've done enough and then I go back into the gym, CrossFit style and wreck myself.

Nate Drolet  30:00

 That's how it works. 

Kris Hampton  30:01

I just continue to think, oh, maybe I'm not doing enough, but I'm gonna stick at this because I'm feeling good.

Nate Drolet  30:08

I it's such a such a hard line to walk.

Kris Hampton  30:11

 It really is. 

Nate Drolet  30:12

Yeah, I can say without question, the strongest I've ever been. I have one year where and this is I mean, this is actually fairly recently, but everything was going great. It was awesome. I was recovering really well, I was training incredibly well, every time I leave a session, I felt stronger than when I went in. I was awesome. It was great. Until the point I was like, You know what? This is working well, you know would work better? More. Yeah, shoulder thing or elbow all just exploded? Just nothing. Yeah, that's one thing is like, oh, what I'm doing right now. It seems to be giving me the best gaines in my entire life. I should probably fuck this up. 

Kris Hampton  30:54

Yeah.

Nate Drolet  30:54

Yeah. But it's so I mean, it's so easy for me to laugh at it now and say how stupid I was. But in the moment, and when everything's going great. And, you know, it seems like it would almost be ashame not to keep upping the ante. 

Kris Hampton  31:08

Oh, yeah. I think that's super common. And a hard thing to fight against. 

Nate Drolet  31:12

Yeah. 

Kris Hampton  31:13

You know, but tell me this, did you after you were injured? Did you go even harder? Because most people do. Most people are like, Oh, now I really need to train hard. You know, so..

Nate Drolet  31:26

No I got super sad panda. 

Kris Hampton  31:29

I can see that. There are lots of doughnuts and ramen noodles. Hell yeah. doughnuts, and ramen if their picante chicken ramen noodles. Are you are you talking like real ramen now? Okay, good. stuffs expensive and causes sad panda. Causes amazing, happy panda while you're eating it, and then sad panda when you realize you just spent $40 on a bowl of noodles.

Nate Drolet  31:56

Yeah. And half a hard boiled egg.

Kris Hampton  32:01

All right, what's your? What's your big gun?

Nate Drolet  32:04

All right. My number three is I've changed my mind about the quality of information that's out there on training.

Kris Hampton  32:11

Oh, that's a good one.

Nate Drolet  32:13

So I used to be one of these guys who 

Kris Hampton  32:17

Thinking outside of the box.

Nate Drolet  32:18

 I know. I read everything that there was about training for climbing. Just to an  obnoxious degree, any article that had ever been out every book, seen every video, whatever it was, I'd seen it. I digested it. And I had the same idea that I think a lot of people have had or have now

Kris Hampton  32:36

that powercompanyclimbing.com is the bomb.

Nate Drolet  32:39

Yeah, I found that it's just rode to the Swoley Land. Yeah, so I I was on this one. I was like, oh, man, there's there's no information out there about how to get stronger, how to get better. You know, this is all archaic stuff. Like we're using fucking pull ups like what is this? And it wasn't until fairly recently. My window washing job paired with Paul Corsaro. Actually, I can even take this back a little further. The impetus for all of this was listening to the Paul Tsatsouline.

Kris Hampton  33:12

 Tim Ferriss?

Nate Drolet  33:12

 Tim Ferriss episode. 

Kris Hampton  33:13

Yeah, it was a good one.

Nate Drolet  33:14

Yeah, it was the first one I ever heard. And actually, I can't even tell it go a step further back. Rob Jensen shared it on Facebook. I was just like, Hmm, this guy seems fairly serious. I'm gonna go ahead and click on this. Listen to it's like a three hour podcast. Yeah. immediately started listening to Tim Ferriss and a ton of podcasts. read two books right there on the spot. Any newer...

Kris Hampton  33:37

Like all podcasts or the Bible? 

Nate Drolet  33:40

Oh, yeah. 

Kris Hampton  33:40

Yeah. Anyway, sorry. 

Nate Drolet  33:42

Oh, yeah. No. So I read Pavel's books, anyone he mentioned, which was Dan John, Judd Biasiotto, Greg Cook. Like all these guys, Charlie Weingroff. I started reading their books, or I started looking them up in podcasts about the time that I started window washing. And we were talking about this because you were painting at the time in the year 2015. I probably listened to upwards of 600 hours of podcasts. 

Kris Hampton  34:10

Oh, yeah, definitely. I'm in the same boat. 

Nate Drolet  34:12

Yeah. And it was almost all strength and conditioning, or something. Tim Ferriss, or America's Test Kitchen, because it's kind of awesome.

Kris Hampton  34:20

 Yeah. Which is why you've been the cook on this whole tour for the most part.

Nate Drolet  34:24

And if you want melty chocolate chips, and you chocolate chip cookie, get a Ghiradelli bar, break it up, put it in. Gonna melt better than your Nestle chocolate chips. Don't cook with chips ya'll come on.

Kris Hampton  34:34

And it's way better. 

Nate Drolet  34:35

Yeah. 

Kris Hampton  34:36

All right.

Nate Drolet  34:37

So I digress. 

Kris Hampton  34:40

Especially if they're in your scratch cookies. You hear how I work that in there.

Nate Drolet  34:48

I wish I knew their motto. But, um, so I started coming across just this massive amount of information at any time. multiple people will reference the same person like hear six different people mentioned Dan John or Kelly Starrett, or Greg Cook or Charlie Weingraph or Pavel. More recently, Quinn Hennock of Darkside strength and Juggernaut Training, you know all these different people. What's the guy who's start Starting Strength?

Kris Hampton  35:18

Oh um, I wish you hadn't asked me that question.

Nate Drolet  35:23

We'll come back to it. He's got one of my favorite quotes of all time. But uh...

Kris Hampton  35:29

Damn it,

Nate Drolet  35:30

Okay, I'll keep talking actually.

Kris Hampton  35:31

Here's Natasha always references him.

Nate Drolet  35:32

 Here's my Kindle.

Kris Hampton  35:33

 I can't think of his name.

Nate Drolet  35:34

You don't know how to use technology. So

Kris Hampton  35:37

What do you mean?

Nate Drolet  35:38

 Mark Rippetoe.

Kris Hampton  35:39

Mark Rippetoe right right right.

Nate Drolet  35:42

Um, yeah, so I would hear about these people, I would keep searching out all their information. So I look at podcasts with them, or I'd read their books, all these different things. I started realizing how much you fucking idiot. I was, like, all this time I was like, oh, there's no information on training. It's like no, like, basic human movement. All these things are monumental amounts of information out there and principles, not even just methods like, Oh, do X amount of reps X amount of sets, like no basic principles and all these things.

Kris Hampton  36:13

 Right, right.

Nate Drolet  36:13

 And it made me realize just I know nothing. Like I went from this idea of like, now I know all there is about training, climbing, cuz I've read it all to suddenly. I literally know nothing. Like it's just ever expansive.

Kris Hampton  36:26

Yeah, no doubt. I probably I think I went through a similar shift. And you could probably you could probably look back at the, at the Power Company blog and see when I went through that shift, because I just stopped writing. 

Nate Drolet  36:41

Like, fuck they're gonna catch on to me.

Kris Hampton  36:43

 Yeah, like, I don't know, fucking thing anymore. 

Nate Drolet  36:45

Yeah. 

Kris Hampton  36:46

You know, like, I, I feel like I'm right on top of what people know about training for rock climbing. But I feel like I'm, you know, a million miles behind what people know about physical training.

Nate Drolet  36:59

Yeah, exactly. No, I mean, that. I think that's what catches a lot of people off guard. And this was definitely me was if it didn't have rock climbing in the title, or somewhere in it. Like it couldn't, it clearly couldn't apply to us. 

Kris Hampton  37:12

Yeah. Yeah.

Nate Drolet  37:13

It's like, Yeah, I don't know. It's just, it absolutely. Or no, it's wild. It's awesome. Because now I'm just trying to learn in every single direction. It's really cool.

Kris Hampton  37:24

Yeah. And I think it's, I think it's a really exciting time to have, you know, to have made that shift a year or two ago or whatever. Because now there are, there are quite a few people in that vein, you know, following along that same path, like, you know, Paul Corsaro and Josh Ruchi and Steve Bechtel  and Charlie Manganiello and Natasha Barnes. And, you know, so there's a bunch of us out there who are who are following the strength training principles and these human movement principles and applying them to rock climbing. And I think that it's a really exciting time to be a part of that.

Nate Drolet  38:08

Oh, absolutely.

Kris Hampton  38:09

Yeah.

Nate Drolet  38:10

No, it's so that's been one of my biggest things is realizing how little I actually know, which has been great. I guess it's maybe been, all three of these is realizing, I know less than I thought I did. So let's...

Kris Hampton  38:24

Yeah, and you know, I think that's, that's pretty cool. I've talked to a lot of big names on this podcast, and people.

Nate Drolet  38:33

Podcast is kind of a big deal.

Kris Hampton  38:35

Yeah, I'm just yeah, we're kind of a big deal here. But I've talked to a lot of people whose names I really admire and whose ideas I really respect and, and they all have the same idea when it comes to what they know. And that's that they barely know anything. You know, and I think that's, that's the biggest takeaway that you can have from this, you know, things that I've changed my mind about in the last five years. Is that five years down the road, they're going to be more things we've changed our minds about 

Nate Drolet  39:13

Hopefully, yeah, if not, there's a problem.

Kris Hampton  39:15

Yeah. If not, we've stagnated like, like some people in this industry have, let's be honest, you know, it's happened and, and I don't think it's a good thing for the general climbing public. So, you know, hopefully, we don't fall into that trap. And I don't think we will, because we've got some some great people around us. Who are, you know, I who, I don't think you're gonna fall in that trap themselves. So...

Nate Drolet  39:40

No, it's awesome to see there's a lot of people out there who really want to continue learning and help people as much as possible. And that's right. Like that's, yeah. So bringing up Paul, kind of to finish off the last thing. One of the...

Kris Hampton  39:55

Paul Corsaro?

Nate Drolet  39:55

Paul Corsaro. Thank you. I interned under him for a little while and then worked With him at strength and conditioning facility, but it was so cool to see. I mean to me, he, he knew everything I wanted to know at the time when I first met him, I was just like, Oh man, this guy, like, has so much knowledge. But he endlessly searching for more and trying to make himself better and improve himself.

Kris Hampton  40:18

Yeah.

Nate Drolet  40:19

And just being able to see that and be like, Oh, this is like, this is what it is, like always improving yourself.

Kris Hampton  40:25

Yeah. And, you know, I have a great analogy or a great, you know, story about Paul, that when I, when Paul and I were working on the Kettlebells for Climbers plan, which was largely Paul, you know, especially initially, it was all I didn't know anything about kettlebells. I was I wanted to learn from Paul so. So Paul was writing this plan, and then I had started doing it, you know, just to get a feel for it and see what it was like. And then I started giving my input from a rock climbers point of view from a climbing trainers point of view. And Paul was all ears. Like, he never was like, No, we have to do it this way. He was like, Oh, yeah, you know, tell me about that. Tell me about why you think that you know, and I would explain things and he would go Yep. Cool. Let's, let's make these changes then. And, and it's gone on like that, since then, you know, when when Paul has something he wants to relate to climbing training, because I've worked with a lot of rock climbers, and he's worked with a lot of other athletes. He says, How do you think this is gonna work for climbers? What, what problems do you see? Or, you know, what's your ideal situation for climbers? And then we work together on figuring it out. And I think that's super cool. Because Paul's got the degree. Paul's got far more knowledge than I do about strength and conditioning. And but he's willing to listen. Yeah, and I think that's pretty fucking amazing.

Nate Drolet  41:56

No, it's, it's cool. And it's so seeing guys like Paul and other people who they look at what they know and know. Okay, here's what I know. But there's so much more that I don't know and being. I mean, there's so many times where I've talked to him. I'm just like, Man, that seems like seems pretty ridiculous. Like that kind of training, doesn't it? He's like, you know, I don't really have a well informed opinion on it. Yeah, stuff like that. It's definitely brought me back a bit. And it's been great. So seeing people like that helped me a ton. See, I'd say that's probably my biggest thing from the last five years is just realizing. I don't there's so much more that I don't know. 

Kris Hampton  42:37

Yeah, man. That's a damn good one. We should just started with that one. And we could have talked about that the whole time. But...

Nate Drolet  42:43

Had to have a bit closer.

Kris Hampton  42:45

Yeah, it's true. You win. 

Nate Drolet  42:47

Boom.

Kris Hampton  42:47

You win. All right. 

Nate Drolet  42:50

Oh, wait, hold on. 

Kris Hampton  42:51

Okay.

Nate Drolet  42:51

Favorite Mark Rippetoe quote, not that I have a whole bag of Mark Rippetoe quotes.

Kris Hampton  42:56

I was gonna say I hope you're not asking me for one because I don't have any quotes. 

Nate Drolet  43:00

No favorite one is, "a full grown man weighs 200 pounds. I'll let you interpret that however you'd like." All climbers should be offended right now.

Kris Hampton  43:13

All right. be offended. Because we don't tweet. We scream like eagles.