I recently sat down for a chat with Alex Honnold and the team at Climbing Gold about not only the history of Power Company Climbing, but also the history of training and coaching for climbing in general. When I first started this thing, training was taboo and everyone climbed for “the love” but somehow improving wasn’t included in that love. I think we took big steps toward helping popularize it, for better or for worse. Or some of both maybe.

We get deep into the differences between coaches and trainers, where we’ve gone wrong and what we’ve done right, and Alex and I speculate on the limits of human possibility when it comes to climbing.

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